Hey David. Thank you for your input. For final smoothing, I used 600, 1200, 2000 for the smoothing process, but was extremely careful not to burn through. Remove all grime, wax, and oils by washing the finished surface with soap and warm water. Safety glasses for now on. Thank you for all of your past information from your web site and the comments from other readers. But I might use various higher grits depending on the situation. 4 steps to stripping paint from wood. Hey Marc, looooonnnnnggg time listener/watcher/follower. When fully dry, remove the crust together with the paint residues with a stiff brush or stripping knife. I have recently applied a Trantstint dye to some cherry wood. I have done a few of these poly projects. I recently had to start over while finishing a large slab. p.s. Interesting in learning more about the Humidor shown in the video? Marc is not using a polisher. It has a really shine to the wood, but I’ve been hearing that I need to polish and seal the wood. The bottom darkened considerably. If you are refinishing the wood, if you are planning on stain, you'll want to strip it down to bare wood, so the new stain can soak into the wood. If it doesn’t, then you have to go to something more aggressive. Leave until product has dried to a crust (approx. Many automotive polish brands will provide a rubbing compound and a final polish as a two-step procedure. Can you tell me what I need to do to to make this a Matte finish, we have applied one coat of varnish with the satin label. For instance, on this project you used 320 and on the contemplation bench you used platin 1000. Which festool sander did you use? Paint a thick layer of alcohol or alcohol/thinner mixture onto the wood. But we also allow you to download them for safe keeping too. Even with considerable wiping the finish seemed to just bead up on the surface. Let’s face it, very few of us have spray booths and our shops are far from ideal finishing environments. I am a Masters student of the University of Education, Kumasi-Ghana West Africa. Taking off the top layers of paint from old dressers, doors, and other wooden items can give them a whole new look. I’m wondering if this process would be good to get that glass-like shine no them. I have some raw Walnut cabinet doors. It’s cool that you shared some of the latest Guild build on the free site. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. Always good to make a test board though when trying a new finish. Where would stain fit in the process if one wanted to stain the wood? PLEASE HELP! Be sure to do this in a well-ventilated area, as the fumes from these chemicals can be dangerous as well. Wow those are amazing results! So can you tell me more about the product that’s already on there? We are going for a more rustic look. To apply the polishing compounds, I use Surbuf pads. I’m starting at 800 to get it flat and then 1200,1500 and wet sanding. i.e. I use the 150/3. For some reason that is baffling me, I find that the poly is resisting certain small parts of the surface. Simply get a piece of 600 grit sandpaper and sand the glue down until the wooden surface is level. Thanks so much!!!! You do a fabulous job with your website. Once again, soapy water serves as a lubricant. How to Remove Gloss Paint. Let it dry, buff it with 240-grit sandpaper, and vacuum up the dust. Before it felt like, well, wood with a gloss varnish. I appreciate any advice. No matter how good a finish looks, it will always have surface imperfections. I’ll check it out with the paint shop. The Wood Whisperer is proudly sponsored by brands that Marc trusts. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. And if so, what happens the next time I need to paint the porch? How can I correct this bone headed mistake I made? In the world of paint and deck/trim finishes there are lots of products on the market and mixes from the paint store that I don’t know much about and they often use terms to mask what’s actually in the product. Marc – Finally got to try this last night, although I bought the SF4000 in lieu of the SF4500 by accident. I would try the least abrasive compound I could just to see if that does the trick. Mostly my shirt, shorts, my eyeballs, and top of my tablesaw (which actually stained the steel top). That process is called rubbing out. Obviously every product is slightly different. Copyright © 2006-2020 The Wood Whisperer Inc. How to Get Paint Off Furniture Without Ruining the Finish. Well, Arm R Seal actually is an interior varnish so there wouldn’t be much reason to use another brand on top of the Arm R Seal. Is this true? I bought Surbuf polishing pads, and I’m waiting on Menzerna 2500 and 3500 to come in the mail. I own a rotex but it doesn’t come out very often. I rubbed out a test board with paste was and steel wool, and was very pleased with the results. suddenly I have tiny white specs all over the surface, looks like overspray. For best results, use a strong detergent, such as trisodium phosphate, or a substitute. Also lesson learned. 2) Can you use these same techniques on small jewelry boxes (ie: 2x3x4″), or is it difficult to use the Festool sander on such small items? Pour a puddle of low-gloss polyurethane in the far corner of the floor. If there’s grit or if something falls into the finish, I’ll sand a bit. 3. Sand it just enough to take off the shine of the gloss so the next coat will stick. I’m working on refinishing a table top and ran into a problem. Since finishes can differ dramatically from brand to brand and formulation to formulation and environmental conditions also play a role, you’ll want to err on the side of caution giving the finish plenty of time to cure for best results. Can a matte finish be applied on top of the glossy wood? I use a poly finish and after the first 3 – 4 coats, I start to sand between coats. Some species have open grain and some don’t. quick question, lacquer is one of those finishes that melts into the previous finish like shellac right? The 5″ model is the ETS125. You can get a little bit of sheen from buffing with wax. Re-load the screener with 80-grit paper and repeat the process. I use two formulations: IP 2000 and SF 4000. You mentioned a possible clear wood filler in your initial answer to my questions above but Timbermate doesn’t make such a creature. The higher the grit, the glossier the finish will be. Very informative video that I want to try…but have a couple questions Great information!!!! Is that right? Choose a fine-grit sandpaper and scrub the cabinet doors thoroughly. I didn’t see my particular issue addressed in the comment thread, so thought I’d cross my fingers and see if you’re still responding. In a bucket, mix equal parts denatured alcohol and lacquer thinner. Join the Guild today! Fo you think that is a good sander for general finish sanding, doing a satin finish and the occasional high gloss? It comes out great. For the most part, they look very nice, but there are some imperfections when you look closely. Yes. Leveling takes the most time for me and its nice to be able to do that process dry. In fact, it’s the most used sander in my shop. Rubbing out is nothing more than abrading the surface until it’s nice and smooth. :D, My wife and I both play on the Earthen Ring server, horde. But I’m not sure if that will make the spot look better or worse, since you’ll be laying more finish that you’ll likely burn through again. Or, you use paint stripper which is likely to remove the undercoat too, taking it back to bare wood, meaning you have to prime/undercoat at least twice before the final gloss … I guess it’s because I didnt use padded sand discs. I’d like it to still have a satin look when I’m done, and my thought is that buffing the surface would probably not change this aspect? Hello Mark, it is definitely coming from the ip2000. This method is certainly going to ruin the paint or finish of the wood, but if it's a pre-finishing step this is the way to go. I do those by hand though. Can an interior varnish be placed over General’s Arm-R-Seal oil & urethane topcoat? Someone suggested putting grit into the high gloss stain before applying. jjrs. It appears this table is commermcily made because the top is constructed a lot of small stips, and the grain orientation varies a lot throughout. I just had some kitchen cabinet doors refinished in oil-based lacquer, eggshell or satin finish. I only sand if there’s a reason to. That is a great video with tons of helpful information. The soapy water helps prevent sandpaper clogging. I can use some help, I asked for matte finish, I got a satin finish. Great to see all two of us! One of the biggest challenges woodworkers face is getting a nice smooth blemish-free finish. Thank you and well done! The “last resort” is just to leave it as is, let it cure, and shoot it with dewaxed shellac, followed by fine wool and wax. Whether you’re dealing with a gloss or emulsion paint stain on clothes, the most important thing to check is whether the paint is oil- or water-based. If so, you can use any oil-based topcoat on top of it, once it’s completely cured. The top looks ok now but with the finish not sinking in I don’t think it will provide any real protection. You are a very good presenter. Have you tried this? Now I’m not sure what to do. 6 hours). And oil-based stain, in the furniture world, generally doesn’t have a gloss quality to it as there is not varnish in the mix. Make the puddle about the size of your gloss applicator. I use a similar process for a project I make from time to time. Or only after all coats of lacquer have been applied? Thin coats will result in you burning through the top layer. It is self cross-linking, dries hard and can be buffed to a high gloss. I do wet sand through the higher grits in the smoothing stage, but overall smoothing involves less time since each higher grit takes only a little time since in smoothing, the work is already level and it’s a matter of replacing larger scratches with smaller ones. Strip the Paint. I’m not doing high gloss finishes but some staining & several coats of Urethane. How does the bag of M&M peanuts fit into the process(3:18)? What over the counter polish should I use? The bottom of the slab was only sanded to 320 grit and got the mineral spirit tung oil solution. Apply a second coat of gloss in the same way you did the first. Im trying to polish my ash top guitar, i sanded already 400, 600, 1000, 1200 and finally i used a 3m high gloss compound (by hand). Is it necessary to remove all of the shiny areas after the first three coats have been applied? 1000,1500, or 2000 grit) prior to applying the first coats of lacquer, or should I simple ignore the slight fuzziness and apply the lacquer without sanding. Need your advice. I’ve let each application dry in the sun for 24 hours until I applied another coat sanding/fine steel wool between coats. So brushed-on coats of a standard varnish would do the trick nicely. Very well presented info. Have you tried these? A brush clears the work of dust which for me is easier than wiping liquid away. No matter how good a finish looks, it will always have surface imperfections. But when I go on rockler, it says it’s a 5in sander but the platin pads are 6in. Luckily, you can remove glue from almost any surface without damaging the finish. I assume you would stain the wood before the sealer coat is applied and then continue as shown in the video? Thanks Marc – the main reason for going on top of the Arm-R-Seal is that I like the way the sprayed varnish looks better. The tabletop is cherrywood, has lots of light scratches and one deep one from a cat’s claw when it ran over the surface during a bad catfight (don’t even get me started). How to Remove Paint from Wood Furniture. Must be a real chore on non-flat surfaces. a thick semi-gloss top coat. No need to go to the hardware store -- you have everything you need to remove water marks. Poly isn’t the best candidate for rubbing out but I know folks have done it successfully. Amazing videos – great stuff. I would try your first idea and abrade the surface to dull it a bit. For hardwood, use grade 00 … Why don’t you use a 4000 grit pad? Having said that, if you’ve got an old paint brush with thick bristles it can be used to get under the layers of gloss and it just peels off. Lastly is figured cherry considered a porous wood? Vacuum up the dust. Also, the platin abrasive goes up to 4000, but you only recommend 2000 – why? It’s a random orbital sander. Can I rub them out back to a matte finish but also leave them protected? Yes, that’s correct about both shellac and lacquer. However, now I need some advice. Paint stripper will bubble your gloss and make it easier to scrape and sand once you have left the paint stripper on for an hour. It is a great way to get that high gloss to really shine. Makes me want to rub one out myself! Step away! Hi Marc, I’m new at this and decided to make a butcher block table out of red oak. It fell apart at the leveling phase as I kept sanding through the thin spots (using a block). Wet sand level the next day (600) and shoot three more coats. Sand the gloss by hand using 240-grit sandpaper. I am glad to see others doing this too. Should I lightly sand the wood with a high grit (i.e. Once the pores are filled and the surface is flat and smooth, we can begin applying finish. Is it a stain with a varnish mixed in? One of the most relied upon techniques to remove paint from wood involves paint stripper and some careful scraping. Pour more gloss and continue spreading it row by row until you've done the whole floor. When I lifted off the bookcase and tried to remove the moving blanket the fabric hairs from the moving blanket as well as a wiggly pattern was embedded in the highly polished finish of the table top. I use multiple coats of high gloss, sanding in between coats. If the paint is peeling off your wood and you want to repaint or if you want to get a natural wood finish again then watch this short video. Those are for making distressed finishes ;). As this rifle will be sitting in my safe for 95% of its lifetime, do I have to seal it with a protective coat or can I just polish the last layer of Tung oil. What are the chances of joining the wood whisperer in some WoW related activity? My shooting schedule is usually shoot three coats in a day, let dry overnight. ETS150’s are 6″ only. But if using a varnish, you just need to keep the final coat fairly thick so that you don’t burn through. Pax, The blanks were close to flat but apparently not close enough and the result I had burn through before I had flattened the low spots. But it will likely be short-lived and will need to be renewed periodically.If you truly want a shiny finish, you’ll need a film of some sort. Let it dry for eight hours. For latex drips, try denatured alcohol or a product like Goof-Off, both available in paint and hardware stores. I hope you can help me. Is there any shortcut to fixing this other than respraying the entire piece in lacquer and hoping that the next sanding effort works better than the first? Yes, CA has been getting tough on finishes for years now. White there are traditional abrasive powders that you can use for this purpose, like rottenstone and pumice, the newest formulations in automotive rubbing compounds work like a charm. I think this process is exactly what I need to restore my coffee table top to like new. Start with coarse 80-grit sandpaper in a manual hand sander or power sander. Screening disks in 60-, 80- and 120-grit roughness, Gloss applicator (looks like a push broom). Once I applied the ip2000, they came back. Prior to dying the wood, I raised the grain with water and then sanded off the fuzzy grain with 400 grit. You really want that final layer of finish to be thick enough to withstand the rubbing out process. I am trying to do a high gloss poly finish on doors and I’m using Festool Granit paper. Thank. I really appreciate the great info. I cannot tell if the fuzzy feeling is a result of residue from the application of the dye or a slight raising of the wood grain. If not, is there any replacement for the acrylic lacquer because I have no ability to spray in my shop? I am redoing our kitchen table with new coat of sprayed lacquer, etc. Well keep in mind that my knowledge of finishes really doesn’t extend far beyond that ones we typically use on furniture. Is it difficult to see these supposed imperfections that need filling, because I work with lots of different types of wood but have not noticed much of this type of thing. Thanks! Sand it very lightly, buffing it in quick, small strokes. The last thing you want to do is pass out from the fumes while working. If it is dry it up with a cloth or a hair … Using one of our favorite heat guns is one way to soften paint so you can remove it from your floor. Just wondering what advantages/disadvantages or doing with or without the compound? Load up your floor screener with the roughest grade of paper (60-grit). Clearly I have done something wrong but I don’t know what it is. I would say you need to start applying lacquer and start building your coats. Have you considered trying something with a motor? Kind of depends on the project, the finish, and the wood. What product and grit, and process, would you recommend, or should I just learn to live with it? I will be thankful for any advice. Any help would be greatly appreciated. There are also lots of options and alternatives in this arena, so don’t be afraid to experiment a bit after doing some additional research on your own. This is kinda a weird question…I want to do the complete opposite of what you are doing here. Use damp rags to wipe away the excess water/finish slurry and it just might fix the problem. Stop sooner at a lower grit and you can achieve the perfect semi-gloss, satin, or matte finish. Since Arm R Seal is already thinned for wiping, I don’t know that I’d recommend it for a surface that will be rubbed out. The top of the box that I applied it to is Ambrosia Maple, and it literally feels like a slab of marble. Larry Kosilla of AMMO NYC put together an incredibly detailed video explaining the ins and outs of removing … I have a marine varnish and want to follow this process exactly, but it is too cumbersome for the amount of surface area I have. I heard your plan on the WTOR podcast to balance these two sites in the coming year and I think this is a great start. The harder the finish, the better it responds to rubbing out. I decided to go with a more traditional finish…thinking that a tung oil coat (50/50 tung and denatured alcohol) would be a good start since I’m going to be out of the shop for a full week and have 8 chairs to build so the base coat can cure for weeks. However, the shellac on the test board had cured for a couple of weeks at the time, and I realized when attempting to apply the same technique to a shelf that had only just been shellacked, the results were as I’d not applied wax and steel wool at all. Follow along to learn how to strip paint from wood in a few easy steps. Wondering if my 320 wet sand was too much? Down the middle of the table (the width) is a high gloss streak, as if it was mistakenly rubbed on; maybe from a high gloss oil on a rag? Applying Denatured Alcohol. Generally speaking, when staining, you don’t want to sand until you have at least two coats over the stain. From reading similiar articles on refinishing and preserving the wood, I have gone down the path of coating the wood stock with 100% pure tung oil. Check out RentalHQ and get connected with local businesses that’ll help you rent the equipment and tools you need. I used this white paint that you apply with a brush and it fizzes and causes the paint to crack and split, then you can scrape it off and sand the wood down, it was very effective and not too much hard work. Thanks for your response, Marc. Thanks! Mix a solution of 1/2 cup TSP per gallon of water and wash with a sponge. I wanted it 2.5″ thick and could only find 2″ oak so I cut in 2.5″ strips and turned it on edge so I have end grain on the top. Fortunately, there is a way that just about ANY finish can be improved and it happens well after the final coat is applied. These videos will always be here for you to enjoy. Since CA normally starts removing chemicals before any other state, is this true and is there something else water based which can be worked to this high gloss finish? After the surface is fully polished, you should be left with a deep rich gloss that has no equal! I finish my guitars with a water-based lacquer from Grafted Coatings called KTM-9. Do you sand between every coat of the lacquer after the first 3 coats. Yes I did. My thought is to buff the high gloss to dull the shine but I have no idea how that will work. Aaarghh! Another tip for removing glue from wood is by using sandpaper. Do it a third time with 120-grit paper, getting the surface smooth and dull. Hey Leo. Been working on how to improve the look of my finishes. Thanks!!! If you want to play it safe, wait 3-4 weeks for all finishes. Great video! This was a great video and very informative. Plus, you don't have to … Before I go on vacation should I sand the top to 320 to “roughen” it and open the grain? Thanks. A light touch is really all that’s needed. 1) I assume we need different shades of wood filler from Timbermate. Marc, My problem is taking a high gloss oil-based finish on a front porch to a lower sheen, closer to a semi-gloss or satin. As for the paint itself, I’m not much of a “paint guy.” I imagine giving the paint a few days to cure up would be adequate before applying your water-based topcoat. Once I don’t see the shiny spots after sanding, I put one more coat of finish on and then go to work with 600, 1000, and 2000 grit wet sand paper. I use 320 grit wet/dry paper and a bit of soapy water as a lubricant. Be aware that this will leave visible grooves in the cabinets, so you'll likely need to refinish the cabinets once you have completed the project. In 1978, the U.S. federal government banned the sale of lead-based paint on the … Though labor-intensive, sandpaper is capable of removing nearly any wood finish. You can reduce the gloss of an existing finish by gently wet sanding with 600 or 800 grit sandpaper. After allowing the dye to completely dry for 24 hours, the wood has a slight fussy feel to the touch. (less than the grain raising , but not as smooth as a 220 grit sanding. I love the matte look of the raw wood but know that I need to seal them. Marc Wear a dust mask while using a floor screener. As Jay said, I’m using the Festool ETS 150/5 sander. Do you mean an oil-based semi-gloss over the oil gloss (which doesn’t appear to exist now) or can you use non-oil over the oil gloss? I sanded/polished to Platin 2000…then tried to apply the ring oil solution. McDermott writes about home improvement for various websites. Pour more gloss and continue spreading it row by row until you've done the whole floor. Over the course of a couple of days I applied three coats of a semi gloss poly acrylic also by Minwax. So Rockler might have a typo. Using enough pressure to remove the paint but not so much that it damages the wood. I finish it off with turtle wax. It should. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design. Might improve the results. Please let me know if this sounds like a good plan. Thanks in advance! Pick the washcloth off of the surface and remove as … It becomes more noticeable in certain lighting. The final steps of the process bring the surface to a super deep gloss. After using this process I now know how to get a real great look. Hasn’t yet happened in many other states though. Thank you for making this possible. Perhaps the simplest way to remove gloss finish from your cupboards is to sand it off. For me, the ETS series is just about all I need. These pads work with standard hook & loop random orbit sanders and do the work of smoothing the surface quickly and efficiently. Messier process than I thought. The table is so big that my eye is drawn to imperfections in various lights… I’m interested in rubbing out the finish. 1. Hi Marc…I noticed in your video that you are wearing a WOD t-shirt. Polish goes EVERYWHERE. Hi, I’m trying to get a high gloss finish out of nitro i sprayed on a used piano I got. Leave for several minutes – about 30 to 60. I have a beautiful cherry table that has a matte finish. I am so glad it turned out just as lovely as the first time I refinished this old table. Make the puddle about the size of your gloss applicator. Otherwise you run the risk of sanding through. I felt I needed to sand because the surface was rough in some areas after the first coat. Just one quick question: Which Festool polisher are you using in this video? Questions about ‘rubbing out’ the high gloss finish. Any ideas? Consistency should be like a thick milkshake, pourable without being watery. You can probably do this on smaller pieces too but it does become a little trickier using a powered solution like this. Ultimately, they all do the same thing: abrade the surface at a particular grit. If you have an open-pored wood or one with deep grain lines, you should definitely do a pore-filling process. so I sanded to 220 and sprayed two coats of Target Coatings em1000 sand sealer sanding in between each and then I sprayed 9 coats of em6000 water based lacquer sanding with 400 grit between, but I can still fill the wood grain will I be able to rub this to a high gloss or take it down to a semi gloss? Looks good, Marc! I followed all of your directions in your video concerning using dyes. Just can’t figure how to finish the darn thing!). So you want to have an even scratch pattern across the entire top. Can you give us an example of the consistency we should shoot for in a filler? Perform Your Final Scraping. Even after a finish dries to the touch, there is an additional period of time before the finish is up to full hardness. Getting Started 1 First, make sure the wooden object is not wet. You might want to use something in between your 1200 grit and the high gloss compound. To level things out, I like to sand by hand using a piece of plywood faced with cork. I was thinking about buying a mirror glaze compound like meguiars m7 but i dont know if thats the answer. This can be done in a number of ways using a variety of materials, but I really like using Timbermate water-based filler. If you’re doing this by hand, that could very well be part of the problem. One last option is to try the epoxy again…this will be our family dinner table (hopefully for a ling time) so I would like a tough finish and if a polished surface is a bad idea…I’m open to adjusting. :) We don’t get much time to play these days but look me up if you’re even on the Earthen Ring server Horde side. (Clearly I’m a novice. 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